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Postby willdenracers » Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:47 pm

Does a rider have to make it to a main to get points? all our girls show up on the aba district list but one, she did not qualify for a main in her races.

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Postby b2 » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:22 am

It looks like, as of Dec 14, all of the RAD Canyon Races are loaded into ABA's system so we're not awaiting any more point for total tabulation.

I don't think this section changed for 2008, so here's a link to the rulebook if you don't have it: http://www.ababmx.com/pdf/2008_aba_rulebook.pdf

Some important excerpts from the scoring section:
14. The number being used on each rider’s bike must appear on the
moto sheet or that rider may not be scored and points may be
withheld.
15. Any rider not having his/her eight-digit serial number on the moto
sheets will not receive points for that race. There will be
absolutely no exceptions to this rule. Tip: Check the moto sheets
when posted and make sure the correct serial number is there.


16. A rider MUST participate in at least 1 moto of competition to receive
points for that particular event.
18. For any qualifier or main, a rider will be scored and receive a finish
placement respective to how he/she crosses the finish line provided that
rules 37 & 38 of Section XIII are satisfied.
19. Any rider that has qualified to a main event will receive main event finish
points respective to his/her actual finish position within that main event.
20. The following situations will result in a rider receiving no worse than a last
place main event finish along with those respective points (Ex: 4 riders in
the main—last place is 4th
):
a. Not racing his/her main event for any reason.
b. Starting the main but not crossing the finish line for any reason.
c. Any type of disqualification within that main event.
21. A rider may miss any qualifying moto (excluding total point racing) at
their discretion without penalty. However, all other ABA rules still apply.
22. Total point races shall be scored in the following manner: Finish positions
shall be tallied for each of three motos awarding one point for first, two
points for second and three points for third. (Only a rider that misses a
moto or receives a flagrant disqualification [foul] from a moto will receive
one point more than the total number of riders in the class.) The total of
these three motos will determine order of finish with lowest points getting
first place and so on. If a tie exists after the three motos, the best finish
in the third moto between tied participants will determine the winner.
23. Riders may verify their qualifier or main event finishes during that day’s
race with the scorekeeper at the finish line. This must be taken care of
within 10 motos or mains.


So, to answer your question of
Does a rider have to make it to a main to get points?
, that is NO (unless I'm missing something).

Did your girls race much of the year, specifically the one that's not showing up?

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Postby JAlvey » Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:46 pm

b2 wrote:It looks like, as of Dec 14, all of the RAD Canyon Races are loaded into ABA's system so we're not awaiting any more point for total tabulation.


The races in Rock Springs on Dec 13, 14 still need to be added, even though there weren't a lot of Utah riders there

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Postby b2 » Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:21 pm

JAlvey wrote:
b2 wrote:It looks like, as of Dec 14, all of the RAD Canyon Races are loaded into ABA's system so we're not awaiting any more point for total tabulation.


The races in Rock Springs on Dec 13, 14 still need to be added, even though there weren't a lot of Utah riders there
good point (no pun intended). i didn't even take into consideration any non-RC races.

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Postby willdenracers » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:22 pm

b2 wrote:It looks like, as of Dec 14, all of the RAD Canyon Races are loaded into ABA's system so we're not awaiting any more point for total tabulation.

I don't think this section changed for 2008, so here's a link to the rulebook if you don't have it: http://www.ababmx.com/pdf/2008_aba_rulebook.pdf

Some important excerpts from the scoring section:
14. The number being used on each rider’s bike must appear on the
moto sheet or that rider may not be scored and points may be
withheld.
15. Any rider not having his/her eight-digit serial number on the moto
sheets will not receive points for that race. There will be
absolutely no exceptions to this rule. Tip: Check the moto sheets
when posted and make sure the correct serial number is there.


16. A rider MUST participate in at least 1 moto of competition to receive
points for that particular event.
18. For any qualifier or main, a rider will be scored and receive a finish
placement respective to how he/she crosses the finish line provided that
rules 37 & 38 of Section XIII are satisfied.
19. Any rider that has qualified to a main event will receive main event finish
points respective to his/her actual finish position within that main event.
20. The following situations will result in a rider receiving no worse than a last
place main event finish along with those respective points (Ex: 4 riders in
the main—last place is 4th
):
a. Not racing his/her main event for any reason.
b. Starting the main but not crossing the finish line for any reason.
c. Any type of disqualification within that main event.
21. A rider may miss any qualifying moto (excluding total point racing) at
their discretion without penalty. However, all other ABA rules still apply.
22. Total point races shall be scored in the following manner: Finish positions
shall be tallied for each of three motos awarding one point for first, two
points for second and three points for third. (Only a rider that misses a
moto or receives a flagrant disqualification [foul] from a moto will receive
one point more than the total number of riders in the class.) The total of
these three motos will determine order of finish with lowest points getting
first place and so on. If a tie exists after the three motos, the best finish
in the third moto between tied participants will determine the winner.
23. Riders may verify their qualifier or main event finishes during that day’s
race with the scorekeeper at the finish line. This must be taken care of
within 10 motos or mains.


So, to answer your question of
Does a rider have to make it to a main to get points?
, that is NO (unless I'm missing something).

Did your girls race much of the year, specifically the one that's not showing up?

She raced the last 5 races at RAD Indoor and we registered them all around the same time. We received her aba card so we know she is registered.

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Postby J Gallo » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:46 am

It looks like they are showing up under UT02 Girls. I see a Tiffanie, Faith, and Breanna? Here is the link:

UT02 Girls District Points

Is there still one missing?
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Postby willdenracers » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:56 pm

J Gallo wrote:It looks like they are showing up under UT02 Girls. I see a Tiffanie, Faith, and Breanna? Here is the link:

UT02 Girls District Points

Is there still one missing?



Yeah there is still one missing Jessica she races 14 novis.

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Postby JAlvey » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:21 pm

I always thought that (at a local race)if you don't make the main, then you don't get any points.

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Postby J Gallo » Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:04 pm

I don't believe that is true. According to my understanding, you get points at every race, even if you don't qualify for the main. The minimum points you receive is 1 point for each rider in your class.

Here's the quote out of the ABA rulebook:

At all races, riders earn points for their finish in the main, plus one point
for each rider in their class. For multi-point tabulating, take your overall
points total and multiply it by the amount corresponding to the event (i.e.
double, triple or quadruple). Riders not qualifying to the main event will
still receive one point for each rider in his/her class for the day’s point
tally.


And if I'm wrong someone let me know quick cause I'm working on the behind the scenes calculations for the point tracking feature on the site :)
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Postby b2 » Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:05 pm

JAlvey wrote:I always thought that (at a local race)if you don't make the main, then you don't get any points.
My first races were in Farmington--I made no main, if I recall correctly--i did bump my head that one time so i may not be recalling correctly--and I had some points before the Nov. indoors in South Jordan.

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Postby J Gallo » Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:06 pm

willden,

You may want to send a message to the ABA with her ABA membership # and verify there isn't a reason she is being held off the points list (signature on the application, birth certificate, etc). They should also be able to verify if they have received any points scored at the RAD Canyon races.
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Postby Ryan King » Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:29 pm

when do all the points get locked in for the 2007 year?
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Postby JAlvey » Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:40 pm

Gallo's right. That's good at least I'll get some points in 36-40C next year when I don't transfer :oops:

Points are locked in Dec 15th (last sat)

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Postby mackdaddy » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:27 pm

JAlvey

Yes and no on the points. They are done with races but any track that ran last weekend races has until the end of the year to get their paperowrk in to the ABA.
Any missing points you might have can be questioned to the ABA thru the first part of Jan if i am correct.
The Final points are post usually around first to mid Feb. New numbers cannot be run until the ABA posts them on their website as official year end points
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